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Richard Le Mare
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 Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 1:19:02 PM
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GOOD NEWS !!!
We will be putting Windward Leeward racing back on as from 28th March (start of the new series) along with average lap time racing for the handicap fleet.
Same format as run previously with the W/L having a start in the sequence ( start order to be confirmed ) and the round the cans boats remaining on the start after the Fireballs and then being finished through the start line.
Can we please support this as much as possible as we really want it to work this time for both W/L and RTC average laps.
I will be emailing this to both Asymmetric and Handicap fleets this week
 426  Erica 
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Edited by - Richard Le Mare on 10 Mar 2010 1:20:34 PM |
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davesailing
Completely dry
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 1:24:44 PM
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Will give it a try so long as there is enough wind, the 600 is properly boring down wind if there is no wind.
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MikeHall
Damp
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 2:15:02 PM
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Hello Richard!
That is good news indeed! I don't think that I can claim much credit for it, as the speed of response would tend to suggest that someone was already thinking along these lines already.
Could I suggest that as a courtesy you notify all of the fleets at the same time? If nothing else, helms will need to understand that there are boats racing a different course that they may need to give way to. At the moment, when racing, my assumption is that all boats not following the race course, other than those clearly being sailed by novices, will keep out of my way.
I would also suggest a bit of publicity to get this going. I have received your private e-mail regarding helping with the SIs, and I am happy to do this (the start sequence will be… ), perhaps we could discuss some publicity at the same time.
Mike
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stumcb
Damp
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 2:25:03 PM
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ok someone better explain this to me, as my current plan is to follow whoever is in front of me i could end up sailing a bit of both courses.
presume as i have no spiniker on the supernova its rtc and the average timings means after one lap if i screw up and everyone else has finised i can drift in?
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MikeHall
Damp
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 2:51:09 PM
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Hello Stu,
Not quite.
There will be a separate start, but probably from the same line, for the W/L boats. This is principally the Asymmetrics, but may include some others who wish to follow this type of course. Most non-fleet boats without asymmetric spinnakers will line up for the handicap race. This will start from the same line a few minutes earlier or later, and will follow a different course around the cans.
It is a bit of a dangerous strategy to follow the leader in a Supernova, especially when you are first starting out. There is a big difference in the speed of the RS300s that form the bulk of the fleet and the Supernova, so you can easily loose them. In addition, the nearest slower boats that appear regularly are the RS200 and Laser 2000. These boats have asymmetric spinnakers, so may go with the W/L start, but if they come with us they tack downwind and you will need to take a direct route. Hence you will need to know the way!
I would suggest that you get a map of the marks from the office for £2 and tape it to the front of your c*ckpit. Then, before the race, get to the start early and work out the course on the map. I find remembering the mark letters difficult, but it is quite easy to remember the course. You should also spend an hour or two sailing around the lake so that you know roughly where the marks are. The ones in the middle cause the most trouble, but it is essential to know which bit of land to head for from J when D is next as you can’t see the mark.
The average timings mean that once the race officer has decided to shorten course and end the race, all boats will be finished on their next time through the line. You still need to get around to the finish line again, even if you have messed up big time! The benefit of this is that if you are a lap or even two behind say, a Moth, you won’t have to sail round on your own until you have done the same number of laps.
Kind regards
Mike
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Paulr
Soaked
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 4:15:25 PM
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I hope the enthusiasm translates into numbers on the water.
I think it is traditional within the club to require an average of 6 boats to maintain a start. |
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MikeHall
Damp
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 4:22:32 PM
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I hope so to Paul.
I started this thread because I noticed that two of the starts regularly had no competitors and often the one or two that were intending to start had signed onto the fast handicap.
In addition, there often are 29ers and others out training, and they never seem to race.
I would suggest that the committee keeps the situation under review, and perhaps merges some summer fleets in the winter. |
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Ashley
Quite dry
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 9:49:09 PM
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Here is how I would like see the WL course looking,
very much like we used last time.
The black mark are the standard club course marks.
The green spreader mark is used during each lap rounding,
The red mark is optional, mostly finishing in open is like this.
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Simon Fox
Wet
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 12:13:01 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeHall
At the moment, when racing, my assumption is that all boats not following the race course, other than those clearly being sailed by novices, will keep out of my way.
Mike
Hmm, I guess by 'boats' you are including all craft here?
Seems a bit selfish, especially if the, possibly 'etch-a-sketch' type, course happens to compromise other members use of the water.
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robbersdog
Drenched
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 09:04:22 AM
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Well, the rules do state that boats racing have right of way over boats not racing. That said, as with any situation, you shouldn't assume the other boat knows this. However, cruising boats should keep out of the way.
In reality the quickest way to sail is usually to avoid situations with cruising boats but we do try to sail to the rules at Draycote and if this is not going to be followed we all need to know in the sailing instructions.
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paulG
Damp
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 12:00:28 PM
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possibly 'etch-a-sketch' type, course happens to compromise other members use of the water.
Simon
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Ash has made an attempt to get his point over, no need to de value it
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Iain
Drenched
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 12:49:44 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Paulr
I hope the enthusiasm translates into numbers on the water.
I think it is traditional within the club to require an average of 6 boats to maintain a start.
Paul I don't think that it's religously enforced, it's more when a fleet is growing in numbers that once it has 6 boats it can request a class start. Obviously there is an expectation that boats will race and keep this start worthwhile, but as the club has a number of RS800s, 49ers, B14s, RS200s, RS700s, L2000s, Musto Skiffs, Cherubs, 18' skiffs, 12' skiffs and 29ers, one would hope that would be sufficient boats to cover the 6 boat requirement. And I'm sure that those in charge will be considering the long term future of promoting the club as a premier sailing venue catering for all sailors, as well as adressing the no-one under thier mid thirties sails any of the club's three main fleet boats sustainability issue (apart from Alex), rather than looking to bin it while it's still finding it's feet!
But as you rightly say, it's all in the hands of the sailors now to turn up and make it happen.
It's a shame it can't start a week earlier as the Cherub fleet are hosting a blasting/try a Cherub weekend over the 20/21, and that would have been a cracking way to start the series off!
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Iain
Drenched
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 12:58:47 PM
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Originally posted by robbersdog
Well, the rules do state that boats racing have right of way over boats not racing. That said, as with any situation, you shouldn't assume the other boat knows this. However, cruising boats should keep out of the way.
Chris, unless we have specific local rules in place (and I can't find any) this is not true. RRS specifically say that racing boats do not have "right of way" over cruising boats...it's actually more of a gentleman's agreement. And to further muddy the water, no boat ever has "right of way" over another.
Sorry to be a pedant, but as lots of people read this forum it's important that cruising sailors know that they cannot be shouted out the way by racing boats, but conversely the racing sailors will appreciate it if people don't "cruise" around their startline or marks...and converseley windsurfers "cruising" won't appreciate a start line right in the middle of their reaching line on a sunny 20 knot day!
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MikeHall
Damp
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 1:28:37 PM
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An interesting point, I thought that it did say somewhere (by the sign-on sheets?) that cruising boats should keep clear of racing ones. However, that notwithstanding, in my experience, most cruising boats do keep clear. This isn’t to say that they don’t come within 100m of a race boat, they just make a small adjustment to their course so that you don’t have to. This is the sort of friendly behavior that makes a good club worthwhile.
Race boats that are not currently racing are, however, required to ‘not interfere’ (RRS 23.1) with a boat racing whenever possible. I think that this would apply even if you didn’t intend to race that day.
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Ashley
Quite dry
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 1:38:55 PM
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I was attempting to show the layout of the marks, and the direction rounding.
The spacing of the green spreader mark, is no bigger than a normal start line, its not the whole water.
Simon, I don't your level of experience, but if you want to be any good the
wiggling is very necessary to change direction on the shift up 7 down wind thats the skillful/fun bit.
You will be surprised, quite often as boats can go in either direction up & down wind the congestion is not that bad, as we don't all follow the same course.
The starts, to begin with I would suggest we start by using the Fast Handicap start as its going to be those boats who want to sail the course. Those who want W/L will just sail onto the spreader mark, and go round again.
If you want to try the week before I'm on OD on the 21/03 and will happily give it a go, if its no zero Degree.
Cath will kill me but, she can stay in the warm.
Ashley.
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